Impeachment: The heart of the matter

22 thoughts on “Impeachment: The heart of the matter”

  1. Interesting article at Common Dreams: http://tinyurl.com/yyyvgsvp re: how the impeachment proceeding should be handled. I tend to agree for the most part, though it’s still going to be a high-wire act with the GOP attempting to undermine it every step of the way.

    LOVE the political cartoon above (esp. the crayons and the tiny hands!) 😀

    1. Excellent article The author is correct. The evidence must be massive, overwhelming, and irrefutable when it goes to the Senate. Even then, I worry that the Senate will refuse to convict and Trump will gloat about his “victory” right into Election Day.

      I loved the cartoon when I downloaded it, and not until I posted it did I notice the tiny hands and crayons. They add so much (even though I wondered if one of the crayons should be a Sharpie).

  2. Don’t be too distracted by the surface features of Trump’s inept clownishness. These are just his cruelty and cowardice coming out in random ways. But behind the scenes, some very serious, very dedicated, very knowledgeable folks in the GRU and their Oligarch owners designed the very persistent, very consistent, very methodical push to: 1) Isolate America from her allies, 2) Divide Americans against each other 3) Remove & replace key people in key departments such as the Military, Intelligence, Justice, State Department. This will also have the effect to reduce morale and increase chaos in the people who remain. From Trump’s perspective, this is a plan to make him King of AmeriKKKa. He doesn’t give a damn how it’s destroying the country; at least he’ll get to be King of *something* and that suits him a lot better than being the President of a much more wonderful country called America. From Putin’s perspective, it’s all a win/win. If Trump does become King of AmeriKKKa, fine — it won’t be a country in any shape to thwart Putin’s ambitions. If anything, they would become allies in destroying democracy everywhere. If Trump does not become King of AmeriKKKa but instead ends up impeached, removed from office and stuck in jail, so what? Trump is going to push for Civil War on his way out and amplify his ability to fulfill Putin’s agenda. If Trump goes down, Putin will have gotten about 3 years of declining America and now America will be completely consumed with healing its own divisions and trying to deal with the economic crash that the GRU has also engineered.

    1. Trump has done all the hiring and firing, creating an inner circle that agrees with and supports him and his grandiose, racist, xenophobic, and highly unethical ideas about running the country. Putin, Kim Jong-un, and Xi Jinping recognized his corrupt narcissism and have played him like a cheap violin.

  3. Are you serious? You literally posted a picture of the top portion of the whistleblowers complaint doc. , in which you highlighted a specific sentence that means absolutely nothing! If the whistleblower had a political bias against the president (which he did), then this piece of information has no value to congress, because it’s not credible nor true. Anyone can make up a summary of what they thought about something, not to mention the fact that the whistleblower didn’t even witness the phone call firsthand, you call that objective?! Trust me, the whistleblower complaint is worth nothing to congress, it is undoubtedly useless.

    1. I could not be more serious. I posted that because the highlighted sentence is the cause and central issue of the current impeachment investigation. The whistleblower is still unknown, so we have no idea what his or her political bias might be. Furthermore, the whistleblower’s complaint was substantiated by a transcript of the phone call (compiled by people who were there and heard the conversation) — said transcript having been released by the White House (which indicates to me that Trump saw nothing wrong with what he did). You may think it’s acceptable for the President of the United States to ask a foreign power to investigate an American political opponent; I happen to think it’s highly unethical and illegal. It’s never acceptable for any foreign government to be involved in any way in our government or elections.

        1. I don’t know if that’s true or not. Coming out just now, it sounds like a ploy to distract from Trump’s impeachment proceedings. Wouldn’t surprise me, though. I don’t like Hillary at all and only voted for her (while holding my nose) in an effort to stop Trump. It was a matter of choosing the lesser of two evils. It doesn’t matter what Hillary did in the past. Trump is the president now and he’s the subject of the current investigation.

        2. What investigation? If you have no evidence, you don’t have a case, therefore no investigation can be conducted. What exactly do the Democrats hope to get out of this new “inquiry?” Secondly, why is it just Democrats that are on board with this impeachment inquiry, where are the republicans? At least with the last two impeachment’s in America, both republicans and democrats voted against the sitting president, which means both parties logically reasoned that the “then” president was guilty enough to be impeached. Doesn’t that at all make you concerned for the plausibility of this probe?

        3. By investigation, I meant the current impeachment hearings in the House. There is a lot of evidence to be reviewed and considered, starting with Trump’s own admission that he made the call to Ukraine. Until a vote is taken, we don’t really know which if any Republicans are on board. Personally I think the impeachment vote will likely succeed but the vote to convict will fail because of the Republican majority in the Senate. Both Johnson and Clinton were impeached, but neither was removed from office because the Senate votes to convict failed.

          I doubt you need to worry about Trump being removed from office.

        4. I’m not worried about Trump being removed from office, I’m concerned about what lengths the Democrats are willing to go in order to tarnish his reputation and bring his approval ratings down for their own personal benefit.

  4. Probably, and then it will fail in the senate because you can’t convict a sitting president based on allegations. Of course in the senate, you fill have Supreme Court supervision, so no monkey business will be tolerated by the Democrats. And then eventually the whole thing will blow up and the commotion will die down and your liberal fantasy will be over 🙁

    1. We shall see. No one yet knows how strong the evidence will be or how objective the members of Congress will be.
      (And it’s not my “liberal fantasy.” I’m a moderate independent.)

... and that's my two cents