I’m with him

13 thoughts on “I’m with him”

    1. I’ll never understand people who are so concerned with what other people believe or how they conduct their lives. Just mind your own business. Live and let live. If you want respect, be respectful.

  1. I don’t know, the slope is pretty slippery with this… what if a business run by a Christian decided not to serve someone who is Muslim, Hindu, or Jewish? Can someone hire or fire someone based on race, gender, or religious belief?

    In Canada it *is legal* to deny service, but only “[a]s long as businesses can offer legitimate reasons for refusing service, and they’re applied equally to everyone, there likely won’t be a problem. As a small business owner, you have the right to refuse service to customers for certain reasons: for example, if people are being disruptive or intoxicated.”

    But up here “all Canadians have the right to equality, equal opportunity, fair treatment, and an environment free of discrimination on the basis of sex, sexual orientation, marital status and family status.” Basically, in Canada, if you’re going to open a business, you can’t deny service based on your own religious beliefs. That would apply to Mr. Phillips as well.

    There’s also the ‘Employment Equity Act’ “[which] achieve[s] equality in the workplace so that no person shall be denied employment opportunities or benefits for reasons unrelated to ability and, in the fulfillment of that goal, to correct the conditions of disadvantage in employment experienced by women, Aboriginal peoples, persons with disabilities and members of visible minorities.”

    1. Yep, we have similar laws. And under those laws, Mr. Phillips is on very thin ice. But in theory, at least, I still think a business owner should be able to choose who he will or won’t serve. I realize that flies in the face of laws against discrimination, but if the majority of people think he’s wrong and refuse to buy from him, he’ll go out of business. Am I being racist? Unrealistic? What about free choice? Freedom of association? I can understand and support laws against discrimination and yet, doesn’t a business owner have a right to free speech? A right to follow his beliefs inside his own business? It’s an interesting issue, food for thought. Certainly not a black-and-white issue … uh, poor choice of words, because often that’s exactly what it is. Perhaps I should say there are a lot of gray areas, a lot of room for debate.

      The court really split some hairs with their 2018 decision in order to find Phillips did not break the law. He might not do as well the next time.

    2. Interesting… I just read the Colorado anti-discrimination law (ADL), and it does “guarantee equal access to public accommodations, housing, and employment regardless of disability, race, creed, color, sex, sexual orientation (including transgender status), marital status, family status, religion, national origin, or ancestry.”

      From what I’ve read, it doesn’t allow people to discriminate by denying employment or services to “protected” peoples. But the US Supreme Court didn’t rule based on the ADL, they decided that “The Civil Rights Commission’s (CRC) treatment of his case has some elements of a clear and impermissible hostility toward the sincere religious beliefs that motivated his objection.”

      So it was the CRC that was at fault, not the ADL itself. I found this from the American Bar Association:


    1. Thanks. I just can’t let go of the idea that the business owner has rights too, doesn’t he? Should the customer’s right always trump the businessman’s rights? I know what the law says, but I just keep thinking “What if I were that baker? What about my rights?”

... and that's my two cents