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Inconceivable.
What is?
Just that this goes on and on and on with not a thing to be done about it. It simply boggles my mind.
It boggles mine, too, when it can get through the rage about nothing being done.
Good guys with guns are not rising to the challenge, despite Wayne LaPierre’s opinion that they are the only solution. However, the cops seem to be getting better at responding to these mass shootings. I read that the Dayton police capped the shooter in 30 seconds and am wondering how the heck they did that. Anyhow, a 9mm pistol is no match for an AK-47 rifle.
I heard “within a minute” and have wondered the same thing. All I can figure is there must have been an officer on the scene already, unless the report meant within a minute after they arrived.
I saw stats somewhere recently saying not once, or maybe only once, has an armed civilian stopped one of these shooters.
I’ve wondered the same thing. Both why no civilian armed response as well as what facilitated a 30 second police response. Texas is open and concealed carry and my experience around Houston is that at least one out of ten carry. I never open carry anywhere near an urban area, but I always carry.
I can’t speak for those who carry, but maybe they just aren’t prepared to shoot in crowds, are afraid of being prosecuted later, aren’t trained to shoot at people. I’ve really no idea. As for the police response, I saw a report this evening that said they were already on the scene, probably because it was an entertainment district on a Saturday night/Sunday morning. Even so, the shooter managed to kill 9 and injure 27 in that brief period. Another reason assault-style automatic weapons should be banned, IMO.
In case you missed it, here’s a good discussion of the weapons and timing in Dayton.
That was excellent. Thank you. I can’t imagine any good reason for John Q. Public to have access to such a weapon. “It’s my right” and “It’s fun” certainly aren’t valid. IMO, if you abuse a right, you lose the right.
Things that would deter me are:
The fact that (even if I were successful in stopping a shooter) I wouldn’t appear to be any different to those around me… and
I might be shot just because I was seen with a gun.
My thought has always been to drop the weapon immediately after having used it to stop the murderer. And if I missed the guy, I might accidentally injure or kill some innocent bystander. It’s not an easy decision, or a great option.
Ah yes, I forgot that one. The cops would be looking for the guy with the gun and not stopping to ask questions. That’s probably the most compelling reason of all, although dropping your gun immediately after using it would be a very good idea if you were still that calm.
This reminds me of the cartoon I published some time back:
https://piedtype.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/screen-shot-2016-06-26-at-12-11-23-pm-e1466965047512.png
There’s just no making sense in a situation like this.
A responsible carrier has to mentally rehearse every permutation they can imagine and develop a strategy to cope with every single one, or they will likely not remain calm enough to implement their preconceived action plan. Even then, you can’t predict every outcome.
It’s a scary thing to contemplate killing another human being… unless you’re a cretinous, bigoted, cowardly a$$h0le like those who perpetrate these heinous acts.
I fear many carriers who consider themselves responsible have not thought this through as well as you have. That may be why most do not become the “good guy with a gun” when a shooting occurs.
The thing that’s wrong with that cartoon is that it depicts every carrier as an irresponsible idiot.
None of those that I know are.
However you interpret it, it’s a chaotic situation, made worse by the number of guns present. Who knows which are good guys with guns and which is the bad guy?
To me it boils down to – Would I rather be defenseless or not.
You choose defenseless and I can understand and respect that. As I continue to age and become less able, I will embrace your choice -and- stop driving as well.
It may just be a result of the lives we’ve lived and where we’ve lived. I’ve never felt any need or desire to carry a gun as I’ve gone about my life. I’ve always been a fan of target shooting, had a .22 as a kid, but that’s it.
I quit driving at night several years ago, can’t drive more than a couple of hours now without discomfort, and when I feel I can no longer drive safely, I’ll probably stop altogether — although I can’t see how that relates to carrying a gun. Something about driving defensively? I’ve always done that.
although I can’t see how that relates to carrying a gun. Something about driving defensively?
It’s about acting responsibly. Regardless of the act itself.
I always try to act responsibly. I just wish everyone did.