Another school shooting, more thoughts and prayers

 

If America’s leaders won’t act for the good of the country, it’s time to elect new leaders!

 



Categories: guns, Politics

36 replies

  1. What is POLS that’s on his briefcase? I’m having a brain fart and cannot come up with an acronym for it.

  2. Enough talk. Enough marches. Enough chanting “we want change”
    Time to teach “Do Not Kill” (Why is that so hard? Even if not religious, murder doesn’t keep the species moving in a positive direction…everyone should be able to get behind that.)
    Cheers for CO for addressing the need for more facilities for intervention and treatment of mentally unstable individuals. Inch by inch
    This one only a few miles down the road from our house. You would think school authorities would question a kid in 95 degree heat wearing a long coat. Maybe they are cutting kids slack as this area was hit so hard by Hurricane Harvey. PTSD? Concussion from football? Just because a girl won’t go out with you, doesn’t mean you have the right to kill. (Notice how many victims were girls/women?)
    The school had done active shooter drill two weeks ago. The region law enforcement agencies had meet and coordinated plans for mutual assistance last month. Two heroes – a vet. cop on campus who did his job and ran towards danger, not away – arrived in 4 min to location and kept shooter pinned in one spot (He’s wounded but doing better) and the 15 yr old boy who held the door shut against the shooter and protected others/gave others time to flee. Could have been so much worse.
    Tragic. We are determined to do better – to protect our school kids until society can figure out why all the explosive violence.
    Ignoring it will not make it go away.

    • I’ve wondered how far from this you were. I was sickened, and so, so angry. I don’t know what the answer is, but it’s the job of our elected representatives to figure it out and do something. And if they can’t or won’t, we can elect someone who will (assuming the NRA doesn’t buy all the votes they need to keep the incumbents in office).

      • One of our police officer’s mother was one of the victims. It is fortunate the area authorities and schools had met and had exact coordinated response plans. Over 200 were there in a matter of minutes – running toward the danger not away or mulling around like Parkland. (Where the shooter was a well known unstable mentally individual that authorities of all agencies and parents just ignored and waited for someone else to take steps to protect others) Steps were taken here to prepare – and those proved invaluable – down to kids putting their phones on. silent and keeping others quiet in hiding places – kids and adults knew what to do. and it worked. I still think we need trained police dogs in each school. (Sante Fe last 25 min – most of that was time spent negotiating with the shooter trying to get him to not kill himself and to come out of the room he was cornered in – no shooting)
        Society has to stop writing hands and making a big show of their concern and grief.
        We need to be specific. (especially too elected officials who thrive on promises and being vague.) Always more effective to personally walk in/phone/email local authorities and work within your elected representatives in the state. Faster. More effective. DC is simply a clown stage now.
        The problem is people do not obey laws – so passing more is simply a feel good action. A show for a selected audience. Laws cannot stop crazy, either. (The Sandy Hook shooter was well know to be mentally unstable – once locked himself in his room for months and only communicated with his mother by notes – she slipped food into him when requested. That mother also gave her son guns, let I’m shoot because “he was interested in guns. I thought it would be a good hobby for him…”Seriously – dangerous parenting…Even Gabby’s shooter was well known by neighbors and authorities to be mentally unstable and dangerous, yet…)
        Locally and state wide here, groups are organizing to protect and keep kids safe in schools and public places. There are specific things that can be done. One point entry is already common in most big districts here. Heavy glassed foyers to show photo ID, state purpose, and maybe you’ll be buzzed in – but probably child/teacher brought out to you. The problem with that and metal detectors on doors (which will become like airport lines…sometimes long (schools may have several hundred kids in each grade level trying to get inside), sometimes with people actually paying attention) is that kids and those wishing to do harm know how to prop doors open, leave windows unlocked, coax naive someone inside to let them in.
        Hard to legislate behavior of any sort.
        But, if you’ve been in schools and around teenagers, you know there are specific ways those volatile schools are kept in check. Discussions going on now better produce actions or it will be the last straw. (And kids better not complain. Your frontal lobes aren’t developed yet, so be still and let us work. No you do not need to wear a heavy coat when it’s over 90 degrees. Shirts tucked in.) We’ve had clear backpacks in some district here since the 80’s, so hush. Some school took out lockers a long time ago to clear the hals faster. And we need to go back to those annoying for teachers homeroom 20 minutes at the start of each day – settles the kids down, give a child one person who they see every day for 4+ years and talks with them – and homeroom, non content, no grades but conduct teachers got to know their kids really well over the years and spotted changes/problems. Schools are too big. Parents are too busy and not engaged.
        But we have to stop wringing hands. The NRA is not the ones killing kids. (Not a member)
        Saying “No” to children and “Killing is wrong and we won’t let you do it” is a start.
        Adults have to start acting like adults, controlling their violent outbursts, and stop all their public rages, too.
        Time society took a hard look at itself. This did not happen over night. Meanwhile as the Governor here says, we have to protect the children.(Honestly I’m happy so many DC elected officials are leaving – more need to. Been there too long, became millionaires, and totally removed from how the rest of us live. Term limits.)

        • You’ve got a lot of good ideas in there. Not sure why more schools haven’t implemented them. The one I know I’m firmly against is arming teachers.

          • Teachers should never be faced with the choice of killing a child. Most simply/understandably would hesitate and that second might be too long. Teachers encourage and nurture.
            Nothing scares me more than a person who just got a gun because they are afraid.
            Our governor is collecting everyone’s ideas. (Roundtables, and you can email his office as usual)Now to see if anything is implemented.
            Many schools have panic buttons or intercoms on the wall, but the “button” needs to on the teacher – sometimes you can’t get to the wall. (Remind you of “I’ve fallen, but can’t get up buttons? works for them.)
            We might return to another old idea: different bell signals/alarms for different situations – do you remember when there was a certain number/type of ring for fire drill, another for duck and cover, and another for something else – we were all trained as little kids to count the rings or notice the alert pattern.
            There all things to be done that make a difference.
            Until we can get people to obey laws again – including laws about stopping at stop signs even if no one is looking and murder.

            • There is a truly distressing trend in America. People feeling entitled to do what they want, ignoring the laws, or those they find inconvenient. I am still aghast that we have almost one hit-and-run incident in the Denver metro every day. Entitled, and no sense of responsibility. Growing suspicion and hate directed toward those who “aren’t like me,” with the example and encouaragment of that guy in the White House.

              Yes, I remember different alarms for different events. At the very least there needs to be one for “take cover” and one for “evacuate the building.”

            • I think the wedge is being driven by multiple sides/groups with agendas not in the general public’s /average citizen (who just wants to be left alone and live in peace and quiet) best interest. Trump is a blustery old dealmaker businessman – I guess I saw/dealt with so many of them, he doesn’t stand out much and is easily ignored. Somehow the country will survive – although it’s badly fractured right now. Would help if the government wasn’t so intrusive and messing in every little thing (so they don’t have to focus on big issues) and term limits.
              If adults can’t control their emotions and don’t obey laws, why do we expect kids to?
              And of course the TV stations fall all over themselves to show people acting badly – and repeat it nauseatingly. I think the mental age of most “news” shows and talk shows are about 3rd grade.
              So viewing mountains so much healthier…
              (Finishing email for Gov. The final group discussion tomorrow on ideas for school security/intervention.)

            • We suggested code words for teachers during alarms so at the very least the teachers could prepare for what they are dealing with but as with most things teachers suggest it fell on deaf ears. Another idea is that school uniforms t be mandatory for public schools. It would eliminate dress code violations and kids wearing trench coats. Also, i know first hand as an educator, it would help with bullying. Some kids cannot afford fancy clothes and they are teased by classmates and often withdraw and get angry, this is a simp;e solution so all children can start school on the first day without the added pressure of trying to have the cools clothes to fit in!

            • Who knows better than teachers what would work in their schools? The kids probably have a lot of good ideas too, but not the maturity that teachers have. And I hadn’t thought about uniforms in public schools. Probably wouldn’t be very popular, but I can certainly see the logic.

            • Local ideas are always most effective.
              Here public schools generally go with “Standardized dress” which means kids can each day choose pants/skirts/ long shorts in their choice of approved solid colors (usually tan, black, blue… with no logo) and their choice of short/long sleeve/polo/ sometimes different necklines or ruffles shirts of no logo shirts of their choice of white, red, blue, tan, black…. Generally students, parents, school administration, and school committee make the basic selections of styles and colors. The kids do have color options each day and can wear any shoes, – maybe some accessories/jewelry. The socks apparently get really decorative. Shirts must be tucked in.
              There are benefits of standardized dress. School clothes are cheaper and they kids can spend money on casual clothes for outside school. Less fuss getting ready for school in morning. Levels playing field in schools with wide economic range ( and stops stealing of desired clothing), kids see wearing this like putting on a suit to go to work – helps settle students into learning – and most important of all, teachers and administrators can spot an outsider (who generally don’t dress like this).
              Creativity and individuality are always the argument against uniforms, but this day and age may mean adjusting ideas. Besides, kids can be told, “Well once you are in college, you can dress like you want.” Motivation? Not so bad to have a few things in life kids have to wait to get/do.
              Sigh.
              All thoughts on deck – there’s an answer out there…and we hope humans will return to the days of killing not being appropriate or an acceptable solution for problems.

            • I’m not sure what sort of dress codes are enforced in area public schools, but it’s hard to argue against them when security is the issue.

            • Perhaps once humans regain their sense of right and wrong – and decide to obey the laws – we can go back to being our better ourselves and get back on the road to progress?
              Waves and cheers for today!

            • Such a day can’t come soon enough.

          • You know, lots of people have ideas, but are shy about presenting them – or cannot get in front of decision makers.
            How about cut and pasting what you like from that list of ideas, add some of your own, and then email them to local mayors/city councils/county or parish leaders, school board members, state governor and state elected officials – and once again, pester the heck out of representatives in DC.
            If people don’t like those ideas, say “Fine, what specific ideas can you add?”
            Worth a try. (maybe a post to encourage others to do the same, hmmmm…)
            Emails, and phone calls. Letters to whom it may concern.
            Tired of all the public hair pulling and wailing, so at least attempting to do something to improve a situation that isn’t exactly new, but has become a crisis.

            • I think a lot of the foot-dragging may end in November. Fingers crossed.

            • Things just can’t continue like this.
              Oh, well, it could be worse, we could be in Venezuela or S. Africa

            • “Things just can’t continue like this.” Yeah, I’ve been saying that since Sandy Hook.

            • One of those survivors has started a consulting group. He is saying far too much talk – nothing is going to change with that, so let’s change the school environment so that it is more protected and kids feel safe. HAs good ideas – hope the country is listening to one who knows.
              I’m beginning to think it’s like those oxygen masks on airplanes: adults must put one on and fix themselves before helping the kids.
              Far too much anger at the drop of the hat by adults, almost infantile tantrums about they are right/must be given special treatment.
              “No” is a good word. Learn it and self control by 3 or else we all suffer?
              No wonder wild animals attack. They are probably thinking “humans were given everything – and they are throwing it all away – and making a mess for us in the process”

  3. That sentence says it all. Get rid of them, the whole damned lot.

  4. I’m in favor of allowing teachers who already have CCP’s and who volunteer without any compensation – to carry a concealed weapon.  If they were allowed, they would need continued proficiency training to maintain that status.

    I would not favor teachers carrying in class if they obtained a CCP for the purpose of carrying in class, or if they were enticed by any form of emolument.

    • And how would incoming cops know if that armed adult was a teacher or the shooter?

      • You seem to be implying that an armed teacher would have his/her weapon unholstered in the absence of any need.  Why?  You also seem to be implying that the armed teacher and the LEO were both mute, without cell phones and without identifying characteristics.  Why?

        • No, of course I’m not implying that a teacher would draw his or her weapon in the absence of need. I just think, as I’ve said before, that more guns in a shooting situation do not make students safer. They just create confusion about who’s the bad guy.

          • I still have to ask, why?  

            Similar situations (war, hostage rescue, etc.) most often result in another gun in the hands of a good guy eliminating the threat -and- seldom result in collateral damage by friendly fire.

            Why would a professionally designed security system that included trained armed volunteers be less successful?

            • Teachers are trained and paid to teach. If you want armed guards hire cops or other security to stay outside the school. I’ll never believe more guns are the answer.

            • Uniforms…You might as well have them wear shirts like this

            • The shirt image (that didn’t show up) had a target on it. The same effect as a security uniform.

            • I’m not that concerned about what they wear, although I think the sight of uniformed officers is a deterrant. But you’ll never convince me that teachers should be trained and armed. That’s not their job and most of them, around here at least, want no part of it.

            • Those who want no part of it, shouldn’t be a part of it.  Like I said – only volunteers whose sole motivation is protection for themselves and their students should be allowed.  Your wish fulfilled as well as my hope to do something constructive that has a chance of success.

              Laws (new and old) designed to control law abiding people never have and never will control law breakers. The only thing they (criminals) consider is their chance of getting away with their crime.

  5. BTW That’s not the NRA’s solution.

  6. I agree with PT, arming teachers as policy is a bad idea for two reasons, the shooter will always have the advantage of planning and surprise, and secondly, the danger of collateral damage in the ensuing confusion. That said, if a particular well-trained and experienced teacher wanted to pack heat, I’d let her. I like the idea of limiting and monitoring access to schools.

“I cannot be an optimist but I am a prisoner of hope.” ~ Cornel West

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